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  |  21/02/2012

La réforme électorale, pour lui, c’est cuit. Rama Sithanen n’y croit plus : « Si je devais parier, je dirais que c’est terminé. » Ni rancoeur ni amertume pour autant. Juste du « chagrin » et un énorme sentiment de « gâchis ».


Vous jouez au basket-ball ?

(Surpris) A la télé, oui, je me régale devant le championnat NBA.

Les recalés de la réforme électorale ont presque une équipe : Sachs, Collendavelloo, Carcassonne, Sithanen, plus qu’un et c’est bon.

(Rires) Ma démarche était différente. Déjà, contrairement à Sachs et Carcassonne, je suis Mauricien, je connais l’histoire de mon pays, j’ai décortiqué toutes les élections depuis 1888. Mais surtout, j’ai fait la démonstration que l’on pouvait subsume le Best Loser System (BLS), c’est-à-dire le remplacer par un mécanisme qui fait le même boulot.

Ce mécanisme n’a pas fait l’unanimité. Ça doit être une déception, non ?

Non. Je ne suis pas né de la dernière pluie, je m’attendais à cette levée de boucliers. Vous noterez que mes autres propositions ont convaincu tous les partis - que ce soit Lalit, Rezistans ek Alternativ, le PMSD, le Parti travailliste ou le MMM. Mieux, les spécialistes, ceux qui maîtrisent ces questions, soutiennent mon projet. C’est là une grande satisfaction.

Les spécialistes…

Je n’en connais que trois à Maurice : l’économiste Pierre Dinan, l’ancien juge Robert Ahnee et le Pr Sing Fat Chu. Les trois ont étudié en profondeur notre système électoral et ils ont fait des propositions de réforme. Leurs idées étaient différentes des miennes, mais ils ont soutenu mon rapport. Oubliez les experts je n’ai pas rencontré une seule personne qui m’a dit « Rama, je ne suis pas d’accord avec toi » et qui avait des arguments solides à faire valoir.

Vous ne lisez pas les journaux ?

A Maurice, tout le monde est constitutionnaliste, économiste et Ballon d’or. Les gens donnent leur avis sur tout, souvent sans savoir de quoi ils parlent. Certains ont critiqué mon rapport sans même l’avoir lu ! Attention, je ne dis pas que mon projet est parfait, il n’y a pas de système électoral parfait. J’ai essayé de faire du sur-mesure. D’être juste vis-à-vis des partis, des femmes, des communautés et de garantir la stabilité. Certains commentaires m’ont choqué. Des esprits supposés éclairés n’arrivent toujours pas à faire la distinction entre la suppression du BLS et son assimilation dans un nouveau système. Je n’élimine pas le BLS, je le subsume. Je conserve son objectif que j’intègre dans un nouveau dispositif. Dire que Sithanen veut supprimer le BLS, c’est me faire un faux procès. Est-ce que je le vis comme un échec ? Pas du tout. Réformer un système électoral est très compliqué. En Nouvelle-Zélande, ça a pris 75 ans. En Grande-Bretagne, ils en discutent depuis 100 ans.

Avez-vous assimilé le fait que vous ne verrez pas cette réforme ?

Oui.

Et quel sentiment domine ?

Je suis triste pour mon pays. Tous ces dérapages inutiles me chagrinent. Les gens ne réalisent pas qu’il y a mieux que le système actuel. 62 députés First-past-the-Post (FPTP), plus 20 sièges à la proportionnelle sur une liste bloquée, tout en donnant la possibilité à certains candidats d’être sur deux listes, ça, c’est largement meilleur pour les musulmans que le système actuel, c’est-à-dire 62 députés, plus huit best losers. Je peux le prouver à n’importe qui, n’importe quand. Avec mon système, au pire, les musulmans seront aussi bien représentés qu’aujourd’hui. Mais à mon avis, ils auront davantage de députés. Shakeel Mohamed l’a compris. J’ai d’autres amis musulmans qui en sont convaincus mais qui n’osent pas le dire. Shakeel a beaucoup de défauts, mais au moins, il a eu le courage de ses convictions.

Qui n’a pas eu ce courage ?

Ceux qui m’ont dit en privé : « Rama, tonn fer enn bon travay me nou pa kapav dir li piblikman ».

Et ils sont nombreux ? Des noms…

Je ne vais pas les embarrasser, ils se reconnaîtront. Après, il y a aussi un peu de jalousie. Pourquoi la solution viendrait de Sithanen ? Certains sont mal à l’aise avec ça, je le sais.

Le silence d’un Rashid Beebeejaun a-t-il été coupable ?

On s’est vus lors de ma présentation au Conseil des ministres et il m’a donné l’impression d’être convaincu. Maintenant, s’il ne le dit pas... Les gens sont prudents et je les comprends. Ils ne savent pas si la réforme va se faire, alors pourquoi prendraient-ils le risque de se fâcher avec une partie de leur électorat ? Tout est là. Le débat est pris au piège de la realpolitik.

Avez-vous la certitude que le Premier ministre a enterré votre projet ?

Je n’ai aucune certitude, on ne s’est pas vus depuis trois semaines, depuis la présentation de mon rapport, en fait. Ce qui m’inquiète, c’est le blame game. Chacun va accuser l’autre d’être responsable de l’échec de la réforme. Plus ça dure, plus il y aura des dérapages. Récemment, on m’a expliqué qu’il fallait plus de secrétaires permanents issus de la population générale, qu’il fallait que le CEO de Rogers puisse être un hindou, que celui d’IBL puisse être un musulman, et qu’après seulement, on reparlera de réforme électorale c’est stupide ! Si on attend ça, on ne fera rien. Cette réforme ne peut pas tout faire. La méritocratie ne se décrète pas dans un rapport, enfin !

Quelle est la plus grosse énormité que vous ayez entendue depuis trois semaines ?

Il y en a deux. La première, c’est de dire que l’on peut introduire une dose de proportionnelle tout en conservant le BLS, ça n’a pas de sens []c’est la position de Paul Bérenger, ndlr]. La seconde, c’est de faire croire que l’on veut abolir le BLS.

Le leader de l’opposition a pris votre travail un peu de haut. C’est quoi le problème entre vous ?

Posez-lui la question ! Moi je n’ai pas de problème avec M. Bérenger. Je le respecte pour une raison bien simple : c’est un rude travailleur qui a plus d’un tiers de la population derrière lui. Evidemment, au Parlement, nous étions adversaires et je sais répondre aux questions. Evidemment, j’ai fait un travail en 35 jours alors que d’autres auraient pris 5 mois…

Quand votre fils de 11 ans vous demandera « Dis, papa, pourquoi ils n’ont pas voulu de ton travail ? », vous lui répondrez quoi ?

(Surpris) Figurez-vous qu’il me l’a posée, cette question.

Et…

Je lui ai expliqué que nous sommes un peuple extrêmement conservateur. Les Mauriciens ont peur du changement, ils se construisent de fausses frayeurs. Et tout ça à cause d’un petit groupe qui crie plus fort que tout le monde, sans même être représentatif. La masse, elle, ne craint pas le changement, mais elle est silencieuse. Encore une fois, ça m’attriste. J’aimerais que les gens comprennent que le BLS n’est pas l’unique façon de garantir la représentation des minorités. Je ne vois pas pourquoi nous devrions avoir peur de la proportionnelle. Dans toutes les démocraties, les partis établissent des listes qui respectent la diversité. Nous le faisons déjà à Maurice. Dans le front bench, l’équilibre ethnique est respecté. C’est une convention, une loi non écrite qui profite à un paquet de députés. Alors, de quoi avons-nous peur ?

Hier, vous jouiez les conseillers de luxe sur le budget. Aujourd’hui, sur la réforme électorale et sur le traité de non double imposition. Demain, sur Air Mauritius. C’est si dur que ça de rompre avec la politique ?

On débat peu à Maurice. J’ai des idées, il faudrait que je les garde pour moi ? Certaines sont bonnes, d’autres le sont moins, je n’ai pas la science infuse. Effectivement, j’ai ma petite idée pour aider Air Mauritius à sortir de l’ornière. Personne n’évoque le rôle de l’Etat au sein de la nouvelle stratégie. Aujourd’hui, ce rôle est double et ambigu : l’Etat est à la fois actionnaire et décideur en matière d’accès aérien. On ne peut pas discuter de l’avenir d’Air Mauritius sans mettre ces sujets-là sur la table.

Siddick Chady s’ennuie à mourir, vous n’auriez pas un petit dossier pour lui ?

(Gêné, à voix basse) Faut pas être méchant. Il essaie de faire quelque chose…

Pourquoi avoir dit lors d’un débat à l’université : « Nous haïssons le meilleur et nous chérissons le pire » ?

Je parlais du BLS. Le pire, c’est quoi ? C’est le communalisme inscrit dans la Constitution. C’est cette injustice qui oblige à déclarer sa communauté pour être candidat à l’élection. C’est ce calcul archaïque qui désigne des vainqueurs parmi les perdants. C’est cette façon de classer les Mauriciens dans des tiroirs ethniques. C’est la probabilité d’un jugement de la Cour suprême ou du Privy Council sur ce découpage. C’est la commission des droits de l’homme des Nations unies qui va finir par nous tomber dessus. On peut s’affranchir de tout ça, et en même temps garantir une représentation juste et équitable de toutes les communautés, alors pourquoi ne le fait-on pas ? C’est du gâchis. Un immense gâchis. Une chance comme celle-là ne se représentera pas de sitôt, c’est maintenant ou dans 50 ans. Voilà ce qui me chagrine.

Etes-vous un réformateur frustré ?

(Il réfléchit) Je ne suis pas un réformateur frustré, je suis un Mauricien triste. Triste de ne pas avoir su convaincre une partie de mes concitoyens.

Vous survivrez sans ce trophée ?

Oui, rassurez-vous. J’ai eu d’autres trophées dans ma vie, vous savez. Je ne suis pas en manque. Et puis, avec l’âge, je deviens plus sage. (Sourire)

Entretien réalisé par Fabrice Acquilina
(Source : l’express-dimanche)

    

Commentaires

Par:-Big Joe
Mauritian are Like : Everybody wants to go to Heaven but no body wants to DIE. and EVERYBODY knows better than Everybody , After 15:30 hrs everybody Knows more than the Prime Minister , than the leader of the Opposition or the Doctor with all sorts of BLA BLA BLA........ Long Live The MAURITIAN way. Everybody are ACTORS. Mauritian TRY to work harder like the CHINESE then you will Succeed .
Par:-Singfat Chu
Kamarade Ploum Ploum - I was raised on dholl purry, farata, briani, mine etc and I can comment on them by virtue of my experience. The same applies to Mauritian politics. I have been reading newspapers since 1967. I have commented on both the good and not-so-good features in the Sachs and Carcasonne reports. The experience so far is nobody has been able to propose a satisfactory electoral reform for our motherland, despite the resources spent. In this "Initiative Citoyenne ..." led by Rama Sithanen, a group of Mauritians contributed from their experience and their "leker". The reform proposed is not ideal (as it does not exist) but it is "realisable". I have no other interest than to see better democracy and governance in my motherland. **** The main objective of a Party list is to align seats to the votes obtained by each party. Gone will be the days when governments abuse the system due to the inequitable seat distribution arising from a pure FPTP electoral mechanism. In doing this "equity" redress via the Party List, we also bring in more women and other interest groups (eg youths, "3eme Age", handicapped, entrepreneurs, social workers etc.) simultaneously. **** You mention that parties can voluntarily field at least 1 woman candidate in each constituency. But it is possible that in the end, no woman is elected! Having a Party List gives certainty on women entering our National Assembly. The same applies for communities. This is why we say "BLS will be subsumed within the Party List". **** Let me share some statistics on elects from the Muslim Community. In the 10 past general elections, 85 out of the 620 FPTP elects were Muslim (ie 13.7%). After the allocation of 17 out of a total of 67 BLS seats to Muslims, they accounted for a total of 85+17=102 out of 687 or 14.8%. Thus, BLS has increased Muslim representation by 1.1%. Does this mere 1.1% difference warrant all that emotional outburst we have seen so far on BLS? Are we being penny-wise but pound-foolish BLS? We all know how BLS "quotas" extend to ministerial and other poltical appointments. BLS has intitutionalized communal quotas at the expense of meritocracy. In my (perhaps naive) mind, the first step to meritocracy is to "de-institunionalize" or simply get rid of BLS. Merci.
Par:-PLOUM PLOUM- BLS- PARTY LIST
@ Prof Sinfat Chu : At least now we agree that Singapore indeed has their own version of the BLS. But somehow you are also trying to link the Singapore BLS with other ( very often contested ) claims for which Singapore is (un) famous, that is, their MERITOCRACY CREDENTIALS. Suffice to read the many Singapore Blogs or the book The Singapore Dilemma, to know that Meritocracy in Singapore is heavily weighted in favour of the Dynastic Clan ! But Let us compare LIKE WITH LIKE and NOT ORANGE WITH APPLE. In fact let us stop this infatuation with Singapore and focus on our own case . Hence , your many suggestions of fitting the best curves or other LaPlace transformations or other Poisson experiment between Educational attainment and Household income is simply not appropriate in the current debate as the playing field is anything but level both in Singapore and in Mauritius.. Coming back on the BLS : You are also implying that if we were to use up-to-the-minute demographic data like Singapore , then our own BLS can survive or even be increased from 8 to 20 under the magic PARTY LIST METHOD. This is my own DILEMMA! I am yet to fully appreciate what it is OPPONENTS OF THE BLS are AGAINST IF THEY WISH TO REPLACE IT BY AN INCREASED BLS ( FROM 8 TO 20!) “ [ we can have better representation (including women and other interest groups etc) with a Party List of 20 as opposed to 8 best losers] . May we ask what the “OTHER INTEREST GROUPS” are? On the one hand, opponents ofthe BLS opposed to sending MPs in our august on the basis of their (perhaps arbitrarily ethnic classification and un-accurate date, 1972 census) but on the other hand they also want to replace it with a system that will send.....MORE MPs in the assembly based on.....ETHICITY PLUS OTHER INTEREST GROUPS AS WELL. WHICH IS WHICH PROFESSOR? The WOMEN RIDDLE: why gender should be used to differentiate between elected MPs? If indeed we want to elect the best candidates for our assembly, then it matters not whether they are wearing pantalons ou jupes! It should not matter if we have a Parliament of 70 Women MPs or 70 Male MPs (in reality there will always be a Mix of Male-Female). As Sachs pointed out already, increasing the number of women MPs is purely a matter of Party practices and political ideologies and cultures. We can achieve the desired result without amending the electoral system. As for proponents of the BLS, I address this question to them but specifically to the Muslim Community: What is it that the BLS has enabled your community to achieve in parliament that the Block-3 candidates system has failed to do? In other words, how many Muslim MPs has been elected since 1967 compared to those nominated by the BLS. Furthermore, does the BLS guarantee Muslims MPs becoming Ministers or even Deputy Prime minister? No it does not ! Only Political Parties do this NOT as a favour to you but for their benefit as well, otherwise they will alienate your Community votes up and down the country. ALL CURRENT POLITICAL PARTIES are still far from being fully meritocracy but still ethnic minorities has to BE INCLUDED AND THEY DO PLAY AN IMPORTANT ROLE WITHIN EACH PARTY (SYMBOLIC OR OTHERWISE) !”. Let me try to give an example: Dr Rashid Beebeejaun was promoted as Deputy PM before the 2005 election purely through A LABOUR PARTY LEADER STRATEGY TO WIN OVER MUSLIM VOTES ( TRADITIONALLY UNTIL THEN AN MMM BANK VOTES). The strategy was successful; the Muslim votes shifted in favour of Labour party and they won the election. Dr BB became the DPM and no2 in the labour Govt. Now consider the Muslim candidate who was nominated by the BLS in the same 2005 election, ( his name is just escaping my memory) , did he become a Minister or was he just a Backbench MP? My question is: of the two MPs ( 1 elected and 1 nominated, 1 appointed DPM through a Party Leader decision and the other remaining an ordinary MP,) which of the 2 cases, the Muslim Community prefer? The DPM or the BLS MP? Now I don’t know what these 2 MPs actually did for their Muslim community, I am not in a position to judge but I know that now and then some groups will emerge claiming their Muslim MPs or Ministers have not enough for them just as other groups from other communities including the Majority community also making the same claims all the time. The point is that the Muslim community can get 1 extra MP through the BLS and up to 4 Ministers ( at one time) plus other PPS through un-written Party decision mechanism? Which of the 2 mechanism the Muslim wish to defend and/or improve? It is them to answer!!! Back to you Prof Sinfat Chu : You are by Profession a Statistician and has achieved greatness at the NUS. As a Mauritian I am proud of this fact. Most Mauritian will be proud of you. But extending your expertise to the BLS enigma is a different ball game. Electoral reforms is a POLITICAL/SOCIAL PROJECT not a Statistical academic exercise of fitting the best curve or operating a higher order Laplace transformations or even a Poisson experiment ! Electoral reforms is a complex trajectory which aims towards consolidating the state of our democracies and establish good governance. It is work in progress because democracy is never complete or fully consolidated. For it to succeed and to assume by right its legitimacy, the full process of electoral reform MUST be TRANSPARENT, FULLY CONSULTATIVE AND NOT PERCEIVED TO BE PART OF ANY HIDDEN AGENDA. For these reasons, by default, electoral reforms CANNOT BE AND SHOULD BE A CITIZEN INITIATIVE ON ITS OWN, DE SURCROIT AN EX-FINANCE MINISTER!! The INITIATIVE CITOYENNE emerge within our midst during a political crisis when the alliance of the ruling Party broke down whereby the Government was in danger of losing their majority (a real, perceived or imaginary risk but nonetheless a risk) compounded by the President openly criticising the Government following the arrest of MSM minister. We can hardly blame the Citizens for suspecting that the INITIATIVE CITOYENNE was a political ploy by Political leaders towards a power sharing arrangement!
Par:-Blyme
Mr Chu says :Our BLS is rooted on 1972 census data i.e. 40 years ago. What is the rationale for sticking to a system based on obsolete demographics? So the contention is about updating data? En tout cas I find it hard to follow your logic! I prefer to read Mr DHARUMVIR TAKOOR's warning in yesterday's le Mauricien. Yes to reform to upgrade our democracy. No to intellectual garbage/orgasm and consolidation of particracy. Let us fight against corruption, inflation, discrimination, wealth polarisation, land reform and non-sense instead.Only then will BLS be made redundant. Mr Uteem is right. Those who say that BLS - a de facto ethnic affirmative action that definitely needs to be updated and redefined - is the source of sectarism (another mess-up with communalism) need to have their brain tested!
Par:-Singfat Chu
Dear Rafic, the data that Rama Sithanen and I used are the official results of the past 10 elections available at http://www.gov.mu/portal/site/eco/menuitem.37ba32a3c4783128d6c8662948a521ca/ *** By "independent", I mean that we did our calculations on our own Excel Sheets and we never exchanged such files between ourselves - that's the principle of Peer Review to ascertain the integrity of the numbers in the Sithanen Report **** The mechanism or even the mindset that people would vote under either the Sachs (compensatory PR) or Sithanen (Unreturned Votes PR) proposals would not change - ie each voter will still cast 3 votes in a constituency in Mauritius. *** We did not no anything as fancy or rocket science as you write. We just figured out what would be the outcome if the Sachs and Sithanen proposals were applied instead. *** For the Sithanen's proposal, all we did was to tally the number of votes from the unreturned candidates from each party and thereafter figured out the party's entitlement to the PR seats. **** Since the mode of voting does not change ie each voter still casts 3 votes in a constituency in Mauritius, we do not share your assertion "...your calculations are based on corrupt data obtained through a defective FPTP electoral system, our results will equally be corrupt and unreliable." Your assertion would have been valid if there were a change in the voting mode (eg vote for a party instead of individual candidates) or mindset of voters but this will not the case under the proposals of either Sachs or Sithanen - each voter still casts 3 votes for individual candidates and he/she can hardly game the system. Merci.
Par:-M Rafic Soormally
A certain Pr Singfat Chu said that he and Sithanen conducted 'independent' simulations those elections data and came to the same results. This is what I said to the Professor: « I would like to challenge your contention on the so-called ‘simulations’ which you and Rama Sithanen carried out for the purposes of electoral reform. For the results of any Market Research Survey to be any good, the questionnaire must be well designed. For example, it must not contain leading questions, double-barreled questions, and so on. The objectives of the survey must be well defined. Otherwise, the data will be useless and any ‘simulations’ will equally be useless. Now, you say that Rama Sithanen and yourself have independently carried out ‘simulations’ on the past 10 Mauritian election results. Those results are based on the First Past The Post System (FPTP) which, we all agree, is a defective system. As such, the data are corrupt for the purposes of electoral reform. Firstly, if you both agreed on the data, you cannot be said to have acted ‘independently’. Secondly, since your calculations are based on corrupt data obtained through a defective FPTP electoral system, our results will equally be corrupt and unreliable. There is no way you can purify this data even if you use statistical packages like SPSSx. However an expert you may be in mathematical modeling and game theory, which you and Rama Sithanen clearly appear to be doing, you should be able to explain to people in plain English what your assumptions are, what you intend to achieve and how you went about it. It is no good throwing at people your technical jargons which mean little to ordinary people. The way you explain how the Party Lists will work is as clear as mud. What you should have produced is an Electoral Reform Probability Matrix and comparative analyses to demonstrate how Rama Sithanen’s proposal is better and will do justice to the people. Sithanen has been talking to too many experts, perhaps many even doing his work for him, when he is the expert on electoral reform having done his doctoral thesis on it, and when he should have been speaking to ordinary people. Where is his survey of ordinary people? What representative samples did he select, and what sampling methodology did he use, if any? »
Par:-PLOUM PLOUM - SINGAPORE AND BLS
Professor Sinfat Chu : This was my reaction to your previous suggestion ( I will return to address the current questions put to me.):! Quote : en abolissant le BLS, nous aurons pu etre aujourd'hui une societe aussi meritocratique et performante comme Singapoure”. . As pointed out in the Sachs report, the BLS ever since its inception, has hardly made any impact on Government functioning ( performante ou pas ), let alone contribute to any significant measure to the Communalism mentioned to at all times during this “ FAUT DEBAT”. Communalism has existed in our midst as long ago as we have existed as a Nation. Removing, Retaining or subsuming BLS will hardly make any impact. Now returning to your claim on Singapore and meritocracy or being a democracy!! Really? It is not Rocket science nor do we need mathematical models to deduce that Democracy, Meritocracy and Singapore are contradictions in kind. Why don’t you talk about the Ethnic Electoral system of Singapore ? That is, their own version of BLS : GRC – Group Representation Constituency which a scheme operated by the President primarily to enshrine minority representation in Parliament : at least one of the MP of the GRC must be a Malay, Indian or another minority community of Singapore. Whereas our BLS is implemented by a Commissioner, agissant en toute independence, the Singapore GRC is completely under the whims of the …..who else , Mr The President !! Decisions on such matters cannot be appealed against or called into question in any Singapore Court. Our Block 104 went all the way to Her Majesty’s Highest Court of Appeal !! Charming Democracy, this Little City-State !! Professor Joel Fetzer of Mailbu University, California wrote an interesting article ( here is the Link: http://www.tfd.org.tw/docs/dj0401/135-154-Joel%20S.%20Fetzer.pdf And here is an extract : ***** Ethnic Setting of Singapore : Although Lee Kuan Yew claims that Singapore’s economic opportunities are equally available to citizens of all ethnic groups, the society is effectively stratified into three principal layers. At the top is the 75 percent of the population who are ethnically Chinese (typically ethnic Fujianese, Cantonese, or Hakka). Their average monthly income in 2006 was Sg$6,520, and 10.8 percent of Chinese citizens were university graduates in 2000. A close second in prosperity is the 9 percent of the resident nationals who are Indian (generally Tamils). Their income (Sg$5,940/month in 2006) and educational attainment almost reach those of the Chinese majority (8.1 percent university graduates in 2000). Finally, Malays fall at the bottom of the society, making up 14 percent of the population and being relegated to almost half the average monthly income (Sg$3,850 in 2006) and a fifth of the educational attainment (1.8 percent university graduates in 2000) of Chinese.36 Such inter-ethnic inequality produces “the acute sense of relative deprivation generally felt by the Malay community with their persisting place in the socio-economic margins of society.” Given that Malays might feel that PAP dominance does not work toward their economic advantage and that many supported the early Barisan Sosialis opposition party,38 we may expect the Malay minority to vote for opposition candidates more frequently than do Chinese- and Indian-Singaporeans. “**** May I finally add that The ruling People’s Action Party (PAP) has enjoyed parliamentary monopoly from 1966 to 1981. Opposition Parties have only managed to secure 2-4 seats in the last two decades. For all intents and purposes, Singapore has been a soft authoritarian One Party State controlled by PAP. Now hands up, those who wish to live under such a system?
Par:-Singfat Chu
@Ploum Ploum: This links provides the details on how Singapore elects its MPs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Singaporean_electoral_divisions **** There is NO BLS, per say in Singapore as there are designated constituencies (based on latest demographic data) where AT LEAST 1 minority candidate must be fielded in a party slate. *** Voters vote for a party and hence the minority candidate(s) in the winning party get elected. There is thus no need, as in Mauritius, to have recourse to BLS. The composition of the party slate here is therefore no different in Mauritius constituencies where we all know which communities the candidates come from. The problem with our "panachage" voting system is there is no guarantee of having enough elects from minorities, hence the need for BLS. *** But as the "Initiative Citoyennne ...." report argues, we can have better representation (including women and other interest groups etc) with a Party List of 20 as opposed to 8 best losers. The price to pay is 12 extra seats - nothing comes for free !
Par:-Singfat Chu
@ Ploum Ploum: You say "...Look me up": How do we do that? Can we have your identity / email address? **** About that meritocracy issue, please construct a graph of X=educational attainment versus Y=Household income and you will then observe the meaning of meritocracy. **** Yes, Singapore has its version of BLS but it is based on up-to-the-minute demographic data. The Singaporeans have no problem with it because it is fair eg the government uses the "live" data to target programs to specific communities to bring everyone to their full potential. **** Our BLS is rooted on 1972 census data i.e. 40 years ago. What is the rationale for sticking to a system based on obsolete demographics????
Par:-Kewal
Rama look at the bright side of things, at least you will get a ticket at the next general elections.
Par:-jackson5
Mo conseil Missie Sithanen plitot fere ene l'etide couma pou debarsse Moris ek fleau casino maison de jeux partou ....
Par:-PLOUM PLOUM - INITIATIVE CITOYENNE !!
The answer to the failure of your report Dr Sithanen is the very FIRST TWO WORDS OF YOUR OWN REPORT : INITIATIVE CITOYENNE !! Where in all the countries that you so generously quoted and referred to at your convenience, would an ELECTORAL REFORM take place as a result of an INITIATIVE CITOYENNE? In most matured democracies Electoral reforms is arrived at following reports produced by a COMMISSION, usually consisting of several members. But more importantly the Commission is fully MANDATED BY THE SITTING GOVERNMENT WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE OPPOSITION PARTY. But above all, such Commissions have a CLEARLY DEFINED TERMS OF REFERENCE LAID OUT FOR IT BY THE GOVERNMENT. The Jenkins Commission, consisting of 5 members including Lord Alexander, a Top Legal Advocate was set up in December 1997 and produced their report in October 1998. Contrary to what you claimed above, Sachs is not entirely foreign. The Sachs Commission consisted of Mauritian ex-Judge Ahnee and had Terms of reference which is listed as (a) to (i), that is, 9 clearly defined criterias! What were your terms of reference and what was your mandate? Who else was part of your “fantome” Team? We only find out from Comments Online, that Prof Sin Fat Chu contributed to your report. How transparent was that? As for his competency in the field, this is another debate but suffice to mention that I have put questions to him , and still waiting for an answer ( Claiming the Singapore system has Meritocracy merits, while hiding the fact that Singapore has its own version of BLS !!). You complained that members of the Carcassonne Panel did not even visit Mauritius and that a reform should be consultative and you mentioned Focus Groups. How true but did you carry out 1 single Open Focus Groups, unless of course, your Focus Groups were “ a Huit clos” !! as for the UK and their talking for 100 years about Electoral reforms, may I respectfully remind you that, save for the House of Commons election itself, the UK has brought several Electoral reforms mostly under the Labour Government- devolved Parliaments in Scotland and Wales and NI, and their PR voting; PR for European Parliament elections; direct elections for Mayors. Electoral reforms in most matured democracies are WORK IN PROGRESS. Finally consider this analogy of your INITIATIVE CITOYENNE: You did a comprehensive REMOTE DIAGNOSIS OF THE PATIENT THEN YOU PRESCRIBE THE MOST POTENT MEDICATIONS WITHOUT EVEN ASKING THE PATIEN IF THEY SUFFER ANY ALLERGY ( BLS) ! BUT THEY DO HAVE SERIOUS ALLERGY. SO WAS THE ADVERSE ALLERGIC REACTIONS SURPRISING? NOT IN MY BOOK….DOCTOR !! BUT DON’T DESPAIR, IT WAS A GOOD TRY. 10/10 FOR TRYING AND SINCERITY. 0/10 FOR NAIVITY !! FOR YOUR NEXT ATTEMPT, LOOK ME UP ! SO LONG !!
Par:-Raj Ramlugun
It is so sad. Based on differences of perception about the realities of our society I might not fully agree with certain propositions and orientation of Rama Sithanen, but we need to respect his rigour and intellectual honesty. Democracy is foremost about free and fearless debate. Whether his views/policies make unanimity is another matter, but one thing for sure is that with his own style and determination ( that may even sound arrogant at times) Rama confidently brings his input in any debate that concerns our society. He deserves our utmost praise and appreciation for that. If others, especially in the main political or intellectual spectrum cannot dare or offer better alternatives, too bad for them and Mauritius. It is a pity though that petty political calculation controls and wins over all the arguments.. because the minority voice is more vocal and the majority are just sitting and complacently watching righteousness and the truth get vitiated in the public arena. This is the the other ugly face of what Edmund Burke called the capacity to choose of the 'Swinnish multitudes ' in our so called Democracy! rajramlu@hotmail.co.uk
Par:-shamraj
avant proportionel,,,, bizin fere obligation aucaine parti pas gagne droit mette plisse qui i candidat meme cominote par circonscription,, coumme ca aucaine parti pas ti pou gagne droit mette plisse qui candidat misilman plaineverte no 3 aucaine parti pas ti pou gagne droit mette plisse qui i candidat hindou triolet no5 aucaine parti pas ti pou gagne droit mette plissequi 1 candidat chretien beaubassin no 20.... ca vrai reforme ,,, le reste qui pe proposer y compris par Sithanen cest pe ferme li zier divant comminalisme,,,,,
Par:-verclost
mr redactere,, eski missier sitanen capav expliker qui faire bizin enan 62 deputes elis plus 20 proportionel? qui faire pas capav enan 42elis ,, 2par circonscription plus20 elus? missier sitanen dire enan ziste 3 experts ,, li meme ahnee et dinan avec sa qui fine arriver rodrigues systeme ahnee fine devise cotte ene majorite 4 ,, fine vine majorite 1... si ca expertise ,,,,, au secours Mon Dieu,,,
Par:-raf
" Shakeel a beaucoup de defauts". Vous avez un commentaire mons le ministre?
Par:-Anil
Rama indeed you should be sad and very sad must I say about yourself, for once I would ask you for God's sake forget about the country, WE WILL SURVIVE. "Chagrin, gachis," yes, you have become the symbol of these adjectives. How could you have been so stupid to believe that either Ramgoolam or Berenger would have let you project yourself as the father of electoral reform and thus letting you have a pompous comeback by the the front door with the red carpet underneath you soles. How could you Rama! I have been a victim of your "casser ranger" and I know of a few ex-colleagues of yours who are very happy of your downfall and I must say that after having been subjected to your influences behind the curtain, they see in your ordeal the just outcome of your (...) mind. You thought that having"gratuitement" been the grey matter of Navin during "Banwas" ( exile, in Opposition) gave you the leverage to have things your way. But time is not only a great healer but also a great "justicier" and my dear fellow you unfortunately did not make exception to that rule. The Doctorate you did is in fact meaningless, you should have known that better. One in economics or any other practical subject matter will have brought you more credibility but alas you missed it all. You seem to curse the politicians about the outcome of the reform but once more you are wrong. The electorate is responsible for this, because they made these politicians understand that we and more importantly THEY, THE POLITICIANS, had better and more important things to do than discussing "ad,nauseam" about electoral reform, which is a "luxe" that we cannot afford now with prevailing situation and I am sure you are in a better position to know about this. Politicians being very sensitive to their vote tank, couldn't do other than send you and your plan to the bin of history. Sorry for you …poor chap!!!
Par:-pralash
Bravo a Rama , ki pe fer ene reform extra pou toute la popullation. Bizin ena confiance et raport transparent et honette.
Par:-Slumdog
Triste il doit l'etre après avoir ruiné le pays avec Mansoor et la benediction de Ramgoolam. Des faussaires qui parlent de conservatisme, je prefere en rire...
Par:-Jincy d'olo
All shout loud and clear that we need a change in the system, but no one wants the change, for fear of having less of 'nou banne' represented in parliament.My belief is the change will never happen,as the present system suits the two major political parties.It's just a game to keep all attention attracted elsewhere,.
Par:-jacques
Et voilà que le très bon travail de Sithanen a été détruit par ldes gens stupides.
Par:-ELECTEUR
ABE MR SITHANEN, COTTE POU TROUVE CASH POU PAYE 20 DEPITES ENCORE, EST-CE QUI ENA PIED LARGENT QUITTE PART?
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