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| Honky Tonk |
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| Referring to chitchat People suffering from Senile Dementia often retains memories from long ago, but lose more recent memories. Spend time talking with them about the things they do remember, and don't take it personally if they forget who you are, or where they are. If you have any question please contact a physician or other health care professional. |
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| chitchat |
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| Hi patriot, While I really appreciate the contents of your response to the Honky Tonk, I'd ask you not to get
too hot under the collar. As you know it takes more penetration to discover a fool than a clever man. HONKY
is a "brain wave" multilingual Swedish, German, Spanish, French, English and Creole with C or K. He emigrated
from Mauritius in 1968. He's adamant Creole is his mother's tongue. Ancestors unknown, certainly not INDIAN.
Speaking the first 3 mentioned languages fluently within 3 decades is an achievement which must have left him
no time for learning good manners. He usually flies off the handle when he feels his divine late SSR is about
to be critcized. He feels the chagossians are the "GOOD FRIDAYS" had no rights to the island, like squatters
living in an unoccupied property,claiming as their own after a few years. The"GOOD FRIDAYS" were substantially
compensated and deserve no more, and since he believes they are now all dead the case is closed. Neither the
PM nor his late father should be accountable to the deportation of the "SO CALLED" chagossians. Thanks Honky,
please keep writing so that we learn from you and get to know you better. |
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| Honky Tonk |
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| Hey Patriot, The PIO card was invented in order to cover up India's constitutional law where it's written Dual Nationality is not accepted.India will never be a big power due to extreme poverty and very poor infrastructures.I've been around the world many times as an old seaman and i've also been many times in Diego Garcia and India as well. For your information , i've been living in the western world for over 45 years. Please take it easy. |
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| chitchat |
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| To the editor, I gather most commentators responding to the blog PM's anger of 04/11/10 have found the URL blocked. Is it due to a malfonction? It's indeed an enigma, the ardent supporters of the CHAGOS issues have chosen to remain silent. |
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| Patriot |
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| @Honky Tonk My point was about your silly comments about Chagos & Chagossians & not Indian laborers on which you skidded. By the way, I consider taking this point too. Many Indian laborers came to Mauritius mainly not to escape extreme poverty as wrongly written in books long ago to convince kids. The immigrants were not expecting wealth in terra incognita. Writing & believing that by turning stones, gold is found, is simply foolish! You will then of course ask 'why did they come then'? For this, you have lots to read; when Indians (eg Mangal Pandey & others) started revolting, suppression followed and to avoid such suppression (death), many rebels immigrated to different unknown areas of the world. The dates when the revolts took place (starting on 1857) & when indian immigration started, correspond. The same correspondence for the origin (UP & Bihar) of the people. For you, perhaps PIO implies going back to India. However, this is a 'narrow consideration'; the link (http://www.immihelp.com/nri/pio-vs-oci.html) can provide some info. By the way, reading about resistance of Indian economy better than western during recent economic depression & Indian economic might both today & in future can give you food for thought. Come to the reality; do some research work & you will find it becoming the top five economies of the world. For your knowledge, I have lived 6 years in Europe, 1 year in central Asia, have Canadian permanent residence where I have been a number of times & have PIO card through Indian spouse & ancestry. My experience is worthy of consideration.
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| Honky Tonk |
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| @Patriot The indentured laborers came to Mauritius Voluntarily in order to avoid extreme poverty in India for a better life abroad. Have you ever heard of any Indo.Mauritiian(PIO) moving back to India? No i don't think so. |
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| Nagarjuna |
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| @ Lee below. Our fight over the last forty years+ has been a costly and painful mistake because it was us who accepted an incomplete independence (as the Foreign Minister described it a few weeks ago). SSR was incapable of saying 'NO' to an independence without The Chagos. Surely the British could not have forced independence upon us! Today we would have the greatest respect for SSR and gladly accept him as a 'father' with or without independence if he had refused an independence without The Chagos. Now we are so sure about the tag 'father of the nation'. My guess is that he will be quickly forgotten when his son leaves the political scene. |
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| Patriot |
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| @Honky Tonk These days that there are headlines like reparation to the harm caused by slavery, reattachement of people of Indian origin to the land of their ancestors through PIO. All this both on legal & moral grounds. Yet, strange to note your comment on Chagos. Even the British would not put forward such an argument! You even go to the extent of calling 'so-called Chagossians'. Silly! |
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| Pratima |
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| Hats to Mr Kalla and Mr Salesse to raise sensitive issues. Though I don't often agree with them. Concerning this blog, I think Mr Kalla is right, but he should be more critical and direct about Bérenger's (communal) strategy |
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| Jack |
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| Pou giogio. Pa mal konpran moi kamarad. Bann travayis, pena narien a fout ar zot sa. Me ki Bérenger, "soi-disant de gauche", montre so oportinism, sa li inakseptab! |
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| christian |
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| I totally agree with Ashish and I'll go even further. Si le problème devient communale (population générale etc) et Bérenger et Ramgoolam will rush in along with Grégoire etc Just watch! |
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| Ashik |
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| Mo croire malchance bann Chagossiens, c'est qui zot enn groupe minoritaire dan Maurice. Focément, bann gros parti politique pas intéressé. Zis bann dimounn sincère qui prend zot compte |
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| MBCTV |
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| First of all one must note that Lalit is an off shhot of the MMM. The MMMSP was another offshoot of the MMM.The Chagos question has been on the agenda of the CEM/MMM since 1968.To read to the comments of some,one may well conclude that it was the Mauritian government that deported the 'man fridays' from the Chagos. |
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| chitchat |
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| Hello Honky Tonk, we have the freedom of thoughts, but we must be careful of how we write and speak. I wonder whether you have an axe to grind against the Chagossians. I am perplexed by your ambivalance since you are allegedly multilingual, are you getting lost in translation? Kindest regards |
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| Lee |
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| I don't agree with Nagarjuna. It's not because the fight is tough that we should give up. There is something called dignity and the guys of Lalit understand that. Ramgoolam starts now to understand. As for Bérenger... |
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| Reshad |
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| And if Bérenger didn't attend the Andhra Day ceremony, he would have been treated as communalist! |
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| alain |
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| Heureusement ki Lalit encore ena guts pou lutter pou bann l'idées corrects! |
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| Patriot |
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| Stop trying to prove that Labour Party has to bear all the faults. These should be shared by all parties |
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| Francis |
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| Sa mem ki apel trahizon. Depi 30 an MMM inn vinn enn parti la drwat! Un point, c'est tout! |
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| Honky Tonk |
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| How can we talk about a return to Diego when most of the so-called Chagossians have never been there? The majority of the Ilois removed from Diego has already passed away for a long time ago and those who are claiming to be Chagossians today were born in Maurritius. Too much monkey business going on. |
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| Nagarjuna |
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| @gigio below. I am a realist seeing things as they are. After SSR signs on the dotted line, our politicians can do absolutely nothing about The Chagos (and they know it!) except talking, writing and being emotional (macho man! ☺) about it in public for their own political advantage. It is only after the euphoria of independence had worn out that we started to realise the enormity of the mistake we made during the negotiations for independence. The politicians have to keep us on our toes pretending that they can achieve the unachievable. I dare say that gradually we are adopting an attitude of 'grand noir' regarding The Chagos. We have been 'fighting' for 40 years+ now spending millions of taxpayers money but we are stuck in square one. My opinion is we will stay there forever if we think we can confront, intimidate a superpower. The US can ignore any UN resolutions, court orders from anywhere etc if it chooses to do so, as it nearly did about the invasion of Iraq. We are fools if we think that we can somehow force the British to expel the US from The Chagos. The opposite is happening. The attitude of the British is hardening resulting in the creation of the Marine Park. This means the game is over as far as our claims over The Chagos is concerned. Should we now spend more of our precious energy, time and money to get the British to abolish this Marine Park? With climate change, global warming, all the environmentalists of the world will be on our back. Instead of one battle we have now TWO, the result of our stupidity. One wonders what other screws they are tightening behind the scene to deal with us. I have no doubt that the British will renew the lease of the US for The Chagos which becomes due soon. If the length of the lease is changed to 'indefinite' what can Mauritius do? Absolutely nothing, except 'talk and write'. |
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| Elvis |
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| 40 years of bullshit talks and 40 years of disgrace and disgust. Who the hell has given Ramgoolam or Bérenger the right to stay until they are flat down in the box? |
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| Baltazar |
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| I would throw Bérenger and Ramgoolam in the same waste basket and hope for new dynamic competent leaders. Do I have the choice ? |
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| seethiah |
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| Heureusement que le Parti travailliste s'efforce maintenant de réparer les dégâts du passé. Peut-on pour autant supposer que le MMM a été doublé sur sa gauche? |
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| mauthoor |
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| Mauritian politicians are not interested in return of Diego and no way we can have their support. Tel père tel fils.We have lot of Mauritians friends in UK to put pressure on Downing street,We also have Jeremy Corbyn with his European Court of Human Rights’ request for its views on the Government’s position concerning a friendly settlement on the return of the Chagos Islanders to their homeland thus recognise as mauritian territory.Ken Livingstone candidate for Labour party for London Mayor 2012 who was against invasion of Iraq by Tony Blair and has been fighting for Palestinians against the apartheid zionist regime.George Galloway ,Yvonne Ridley,R Soormally and Robert Fisk those who will understand the feeling of those being oppressed.Bizin desanne lor coaltar. We should not do as the Argentinians for Falklands but we should bring the fight with supports of those who loves justice and willing to fight even imperialism.Don't forget UK and US invaded Iraq on pack of lies,using Diego to bomb innocents(1 million dead).Friends in the press who has guts are enough to make Britannia bow not traitors like politicians.Jihad by the pen |
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| jon |
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| If you are not happy with your government, you should protest ( peacefully or violently )and assert yourself. This is what the West always tell us and they call this democracy. But when you are unhappy with Britain or USA, then this is another matter. Mauritius is just too small to assert itself. In international affairs there is no democracy. Big countries how democratic they are will always bully small nations. However I admire a country like Singapore and its relation with western countries. Singapore is the country which has caned an American hooligan with 4 strokes of rattan despite Bill Clinton warning , sue The Economist magazine for writing defamatory articles on Lee’s family, ban Asian wall street journal ect. Singapore is so important in the region for the West that they can assert themselves. The reason why they can assert themselves is bcause they are rich. The reason why they are rich is because they have not adopted western democracy |
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| giogio |
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| nagarjuna, kontinye parey, to avans mari divan kan res dan deryer bann gran, jack mo pa kone ki berenger inn fer ladan pou twa... ale SSR ou fiston plito |
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| Nagarjuna |
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| Lalit will wait forever! If we think that a tiny country like Mauritius can tell a superpower what to do we are living in cuckoo land. The sooner we realize this the better. There is no court in this world that can tell the US what to do. The only way the latter was forced out of Vietnam was by military means. We should stop this endless self torture, co-operate with both the US and the British and ask for economic compensation for our loss. Superpowers are not moved by morality. |
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| Mauritian |
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| Excellent work done by Lalit! Shame for the "big" and rich political parties! |
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| Jack |
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| Bérenger inkapab asim so bann responsabilite! |
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