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| Dr Jean Gerard Dumazel |
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| Cher Gilbert, pour votre information , on ne traite pas un coup d'ongle sur la peau par amputation du membre, radiothérapie et chimiothérapie ce que vous proposez , ressemble étrangement, sur le plan politique, au mode d'action des khmers rouges qui ont carrément éliminé ceux qui ne pensaient pas comme eux.... mais comme disent les jeunes, POL POT c'est PAS TOP. Heureusement qu'à Maurice nous sommes dans une des meilleures démocraties au monde et que la liberté de parole , qui doit bien sûr être mesurée, est encore possible. |
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| Patriot |
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| Now that Hindus are working for unity, we find division of the community with misleading statistics. For example, just today I find caste statistics that add up to 100%! Where are the arya samajists who reject caste, where are the people who sincerely do not adhere to any caste, in which document (birth certificate, id, passport & death certificate) is our caste mentioned? Sad that such issues receive attention of the public. |
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| sarojini |
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| I am not a blind fan of Finlay Salesse but I am very sensible to his style and analysis. Fortunately we have journalists like him to lift up the lid without fear. That's why I am dumbfounded by the reaction of 'Patriot' who wants to silence him on the basis he is not a Hindu (like me). Patriot forgets that a daily has given the 2 versions of Choonee's speech in hindi and in french. Furthermore, I would like PATRIOT to name a better journalist than Finlay Salesse in political matters...in terms of insight and COURAGE. |
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| PLOUM PLOUM- lost father of HIRAM ABIFF |
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| @VVIZZ : You seem to ignore the number of Hindu individuals and a few Hindu organisations ( Ram Sena ) who have condemned Minister Choonee's speech. By the way, if his speech imply , implicitly or otherwise, that non-hindus are second class citizen , then by all account, expect that they will react like they are doing on radios and newspapers. And quite rightly so. About Democracy and Majority Rules . Please compare like with like and check your facts carefully, otherwise you expose yourself to the charge of IGNORANCE. In Post apartheid South Africa, the political system there is NOT one based on Race or Colour but on the principle of one man one vote but above all, no individuals or racial groups are BARRED from voting. In the UAE,as in all Gulf states Arab countries, the local Arabs are actually a MINORITY in their own country. The majority are made up of Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, Indians , British and other expats workers, all of whom are dis-enfranchised. In fact, all these countries mentioned do not have a democratic method of electing their government in a way that is worth comparing with our system. INDIA : Currently it is a NON-HINDU who is the Prime Minister and Head of Government - Dr Manmohan Singh is a SIKH , not a HINDU. But this is all credit to Mother India where a member of a minority (Sikh community ) can become PM, despite the fact he comes from the same community that a few years ago assasinated the then Prime Minister Mrs Indira Gandi, the daughter of a dynastic Ruling and High caste Hindu family- the Nehrus. All Credit to the millions of Hindu voters. Their tolerance cannot be repeated in France for example where due to their racist and intolerance of all things foreign but most particularly all things Islamic or Arabs, a person wearing a Religious turban like Dr Manmohan Singh ( Signe Religieux dans le domaine public) cannot become PM, President or even be given a job in Government ! Our media , here , conveniently ignore this important fact. Finally in China: still a communist country where officially the State do not recognise any religion. |
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| edouard |
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| Que de réactions...Finlay Salesse a le mérite de provoquer des tumultes a chaque fois qu'il écrit. C'est très sain dans une démocratie meme si certaines remarques donnent froid dans le dos. Il faut continuer a exposer ces problèmes, dénoncer ces sectaires et les envoyer dans le pré carré de leurs préjugés. |
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| Gilbert |
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| Très funny et inquiétant cette réaction du Dr. Dumazel. Voila un docteur qui diagnostique un cancer et qui le banalise et qui propose qu'on vive avec au lieu de proposer des ablations et des séances de chimio !!!!!!! |
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| Democrat |
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| If you do not believe it, then it will be a wise step to go and check. Do also not forget to check what were the sayings of msm members who were leaving the party on the verge of the 1995 elections. |
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| Iqbal Khan Chady |
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| Dear Mr Joghee , it was just an example as I clearly stated and it's a pity you found what the then Minister Glover said to be correct.As a Minister, he took an oath and his allegiance is to the country.
The concept of ' national unity' is a false concept. We live in a multi-cultural society and first we must show respect ( and this is 'mutual' ) to all religions.Then we should determine what constitute our core values on which our society should be founded. The rest Mr Joghee is just 'gimmicks'.
My sincere apology to you if I am still immature!
Friday 3 September 2010
Dublin
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| Patriot |
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| How can people be talking about caste & community and Salesse says nothing? We must admit that he is one of the greatest specialist of our country! The caste specialists are outside the hindu religion; this is why sometimes they publish the statistics on newspapers with percentages adding up to 100%. God knows where are the people born of parents of different castes and those who do not adhere to any castes at all. Many non-hindu caste specialists do even not have scratch knowledge about Hindousthani/Hindi/Bhojpuri but are analysing choonee’s message from rooftops! I really do not know the motivation of these people; are they driven by hatred or do they write just because of ‘manque d’occupation’? Salesse who questioned Choonee’s competence should consider the following points. 1. Do you Mr Salesse have the necessary linguistic capacity to interpret Choonee’s message? 2. Being Hindu has never been a prerequisite to become a PM in Mauritius. Salesse contradicts his own point when he mentions Berenger equally having been PM. 3. Candidates are equally not elected because of their caste belonging; rather they receive votes from every composition of the public and after being elected, they serve them all. All candidates are elected democratically! 4. If candidates are required to declare their religion then it for the representation of minority groups, not Hindu. 5. Why does Salesse restrict his analysis of messages of the Moka/Quartier-Militaire campaign only and not extend to areas where the community is in minority? 6. Although recognizing the necessity to fight against drugs, I wonder why Peerally’s film had the title ‘Paradi en dey’? Don’t we know tourism to be one of the pillars of our national economy? Are some incompetent enough to underestimate the harm caused to our country’s image by the word ‘paradi’ which is often used to describe our island as a tourist destination? |
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| Castel babu |
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| Any sensible and lucid rational citizen of our Republic would realise that casteism is an ancient social stratification approach to economic planning... chacun son role...nothing to do with religion []ask any guru]... Ghandi father of modern India vehemently condemned Casteism...and any such form of discrimination check our demographic statistics...you will find that Vaish and muslims are both identical minorities...at less than 20% of the Mauritian population...and yet muslims are not bothered about a mon-muslim being PM or President... but how does 18% of our population have more than 81% of all jobs in the public service? une parodie de justice....
the Chooneesand Baichoos of this world would never promote equal opportunity Act... it would relegate the Vaish to their real rank...that of Muslims as a minority of 19% in Mauritius... check the national statistics office...you may be shocked about how the Vaish myth majority was allowed to pollute our minds... |
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| Dr Dumazel Jean Gérard |
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| Pour avoir eu la chance de rencontrer Mookeshwar Choonee à plusieurs reprises, je peux vous dire qu'il n'est absolument pas raciste, c'est un homme bon; bien sûr , il peut être un peu provocateur parfois et susciter des réactions exagérées de la part de certains , mais c'est de la politique et citez-moi un homme politique qui n'a jamais été provocateur pour qu'il puisse lui jeter la première pierre.... à moins d'être de mauvaise foi, vous n'en trouverez pas! |
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| nano |
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| Faut pas oublier qu'il est le ministre des "TSARS" et de "L'INCULTURE!!!" Bonjour aux bourdes at aux perles!!!! |
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| nano |
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| Je ne crois pas que Glover a dit qu'il était le ministre des Chrétiens d'abord, puis des autres!!!! Comparez le comparable!!! C'est là où le bât blesse!!! |
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| Nano |
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| Unfortunately you are not in little India or in Hindu land, you cannot rule or be ruled like in SA or UAE So sorry guy, if you are not happy.......................This is Mauritius!!!!! |
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| MS |
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| Hindus make up 48% of the population, the Vaish which Choonee referred to constitute less than that, how is that a majority? In a democracy, the political majority rules, not the ethnic majority. The USA, which nobody can dispute is a democracy, is led by a member of an ethnic minority. People of other faiths do not care about, or have no business in, the hindu caste system, but it is perfectly their business when a member of their government claims that a group of the Hindu community somehow has special status compared to others. All faiths have contributed and continue to contribute to build this country. |
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| Patriote |
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| Si le P.M ne révoquait pas son ministre de la Culture, on pourrait conclure que tout ce qu'il a dit sur ses qualités de rassembleur n'est qu'un leurre et qu'il est vraiment le chef de tribu qui se laisse influencer par la pression de ce nouveau front qui défend le 'noubanisme'. |
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| Debby |
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| Every time, I read Finlay Salesse, I feel that he speaks for me. Congrats. |
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| shirley |
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| Hi there, I concede that Finlay Salesse has been the first journalist, it was in the 90s, to have listed candidates as per their ethnic and casteist belongings. Events have proved him right. |
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| Rooben |
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| Choonee passe mais jmr qui le défend c degueulasse. Veut-il se faire remarquer ou de démarquer? |
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| Elvis |
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| Choonee is suffering of extreme inferiority complexes and he damn knows very well that there is no comparison between backward India and the White supremacy of the western world.He is just barking to get rid of his mouth diarhoea.How can these people be so proud of India when they do not want to move back home? |
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| robin joghee |
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| Dear Mr. Chady how dare you compare what Michael Glover said to what Mr. Choonee declared. Of course we all know that Mr Glover is a Christian. What is wrong in his belief that he is first a christian then a Mauritian? What, he should have said that he is first muslim or buddish?? What you say does not make sense at all. Grow up man. |
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| Robin Joghee |
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| The Prime minister Mr. N Ramgoolam probably agrees to what Mr. Choonee said even though he said what he said about Mr. Choonee's declaration. The only way he can prove that he does not agree and really means that he, the prime minister is for the people of Mauritius is to fire this clown minister Choonee. |
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| robin joghee |
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| Alexandra to begin with you cannot really know what père Grégoire meant when he said vote avek zot leker. We may assume that he meant vote for the MMM but we may be totally wrong. Now don't BS me aith the fact that it is ok for Mr Choonee to say what he said because Père Grégoire.... Are you in your right mind? |
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| Robin Joghee |
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| First be a man and put your real name not VVZZ. What the hell are you talking about, let the hindus worry about the caste system. This country do not belong to hindus, it belongs to the people of Mauritius meaning hindu chinese muslim christian black white brown yellow etc.... Don't give me that sh!t about majority rules and comparing S Africa UAE India. When will you people realize that Maurituis does not mean Hindu, we are all mauritian and we all contribut(d)e in our own way to build this nation. I believe you are a sick mother F##%@R. Wake up dude we are in the year 2010 and my president ia an Afrcan American with middle name Hussain, |
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| sh |
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| Probleme cest inferiorite:..les "hindous" ( par sa mo le dire les hindi-speaking, not the other hindus- who are the silent part, or the sheeps as they should be called!)...ki zot gran-gran parents sorti regions de Bihar etc...si ou guete les problemes dimounes de cet endroi en Inde faire dan zot propre pays...lerla ou trouver ki sa sa meme groupe "ethnique" la zot dans maurice...et zot saute pile pou gagne l'attention...dans l'inde zot dalle pa cuit..alors zote senti zote inferier..et des generations a generations...zote ine mette dan zote la tete ki zot envi faire ki maurice vine entierement sou zote controlle..zote facon de vivre..zote langage ...et zot faire comparaison avec l'inde..mais l'inde se ki zote koner, cest zis Bihar....pas l'inde en entier...la societe mauricienne pe pourri avec sa banne n'importe ki pe vine avec l'idee converti maurice completement...pou sa groupe la..(not all hindi speaking are like that..i can assure you!) li clair ki zot agenda ete....MBCTV deja couma dire Doordhashan..taler langue creol si pou vine Hindi bientot...continue vote avec ti lesprit..ti gagne laptop tempo...manger boire...terrain cado.pou elections..aster nou guet cinema..on recolte ce q'on seme...desole population maurice...zot laker.. |
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| Bombastic |
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| @Alexandra, are you stupid or just retarded? Choonee is a minister of the Republic (sadly of Art & Culture), never mind who got him elected he represents the people of Mauritius. He's got no choice... well actually he does, he can resign and then be racist & arrogant. That's in the constitution and he took an oath for it. And as a dumb ass minister, he can't tell one section of the population that they got more rights than the others because they voted for him. Meaning he will give them preference over the others. As a hindou, I'm ashamed to call him my minister. Resign you fooooool... |
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| filous |
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| i don't remember MR Salesse critics against Father Gregoir!!!!!!!come man stop your game if it was different for everyone else |
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| arouille |
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| @VVIZZ, 'monsieur ou madame je sais tout!': VOUS êtes très très fort!!!!Déjà comment pouvez-vous vous baser sur des pseudonymes et des phrases qui tiennent en quelques lignes pour connaître l'origine des gens qui écrivent et pourquoi il le faut d'ailleurs??? et pourquoi donc seulement les hindous devraient se soucier des castes??? SURTOUT si un ministre représentant de TOUTE LA POPULATION se permet d'avoir un tel discours????...Si j'étais hindou, et meme si je le suis, (je ne vous donnerai pas la joie de le savoir ) je pense que le systeme de caste, (voyez en Inde le dégât que cela a fait), est un système ancestral, que c'est seulement ceux qui detiennent le pouvoir qui profite pleinement de ce système....avec un discours comme le vôtre, nous sommes certainement pas sorti de l'auberge, vive le changement! |
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| Baltazar |
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| Sans être hypocrite, on ne pourra jamais être un vrai Mauricien. Choonee est l'exemple de la culture mauricienne. |
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| VVIZZ |
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| Most comments here come from people of other religious faith than Hindu. How exactly does the Hindu Caste System affects anybody else other than the HIndus. Let the HIndus worry about the Castes. We live in a democracy and as in every democracy, the majority rules just like in South Africa the Black People rules, in the UAE the Arabs, in India the Hindu or the Buddhists in China. The Hindu Caste System is none of your business. |
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| sa lutaire |
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| La morale de l'histoire est qur le premier ministre est l'otage du MSM et du bon vouloir de ses députeé .Trop a été dit ou fait pour un retour en arrière ou pour une possible sanction . |
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| Alexandra |
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| I don't remember any public outrage when Pere Gregoire asked his Christian congregation to "vote avec zot leker". So, to all those who are criticising Mr Choonee, you are all hypocrites! . |
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| Iqbal Khan Chady |
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| I would like to be seen defending Minister Mookeshwar Choonee. But , what has he said differently compared to others in the past.?Just an example , remember back in the 80's , Mr Michael Glover , then a Minister said the following in our August Assembly and I quote :
'' Je suis d'abord Chretien............ensuite Mauricien......''.
Were there much criticisms then? Did anyone go after his scalp?
I leave it to the readers to draw up their own conclusion.
Thursday 2 September 2010
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| clency |
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| C'est vraiment dommage que M. Choonee se sente intouchable parce qu'il est le seul élu de sa caste au sein du PTR. Je me demande si les membres de sa caste préfèrent ne pas être pas representés du tout au sein du cabinet, plutot que d'avoir 'un poupet dookia comme ministre' |
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| Brenda Latulipe |
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| Des l'instant que l'offre culturelle (plus ou moins occidentale) est semi privatisée ..des initiatives telles que des écoles de danse (Jane David, Rene Anamat, Eva....) , la Fondation FSC, des écoles de musique privée, école de théâtre par exemple, et que la télé nous compense en proposant des émissions de grande qualité.....le secteur hôtelier pour sa part a contribué au lancement d'artistes locaux et sponsorise des événements tels que le "Prix Prince Maurice"...on se demande bien si le Ministre Choonee pourra relever le defi de l'interculturalité..Là encore, Il est rudement concurrencé par Issa Asgarally et JM Leclezio.... Pourra-t-il fédérer les musées, les artistes peintres...? Il va subir beaucoup de pressions car la population est exigeante.. C'est un vaste chantier.. |
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| Bébé |
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| Tu as raison Finlay. Personne ne décoiffera Chonee.Quant le Roi pratique cette politique de " nou bane", les princes ne font que suivre.
D'autre part, il est temps d'interdire aux membres du gouvernement de prendre la parole dans ce genre de rassemblement. Je suis inquiet et préoccupé par la prise de position de ce FC et ses menaces à l'encontre de la presse. |
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| ledodo |
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| Cher Finley, Pour unr fois j'ose vous corriger.Choonee n'est pas Vaish mais Rajput.Il a fait plus royaliste que le roi....et il s'en mord ...la langue. |
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| Jincy D'Olo |
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| Finlay, for a short time I allowed myself to dream that Choonee will step down or face the sack, but as time goes by my dreams have fainted and the reality is we are all racist in our own way. It only hurts when the one holding such propos is from a different background... |
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| Jean Bernard |
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| C'est très bien dit...Rien à ajouter à cela. Bravo |
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| RAMBO |
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| Eh oui M. Salesse, vous l'avez si bien dit en quelques lignes. Le comunalisme "c’est l’étoffe dans laquelle est taillé le costume" de tout Premier ministre de notre petite Ile Maurice. En plus, à force de former des "Fronts" sectaires de part et d'autre Il faut désormais arrêter de parler de DEMO-CRATIE mais plutot de DEMO-CASTIE (La demonstration des castes) ... |
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